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if all of the results of a prime computation show an unavoidable possibility of someone getting hurt, do you choose to support the course of action which is selfish (anoter or more is hurt not you) or the selfless course (you bear the brunt of the pain, even to the point of sheltering others from it)?

in essence, cake or death? or, in a more profound witticism, ghandi or hitler?

ftr, they have zyr here. drunken philosophy is bad news bears, without the trip to japan.

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superspryte
May. 28th, 2005 11:35 am (UTC)
< off-topic > I'm going to Japan! I leave in three days! < / off-topic >
delascabezas
Jun. 1st, 2005 01:29 am (UTC)
hooray for you
have a fantastic time
superspryte
Jun. 2nd, 2005 03:45 am (UTC)
Re: hooray for you
Thanks! I plan to. ^-~ That postcard should be on its way soon.
mrshellion
May. 28th, 2005 12:43 pm (UTC)
Depends on the person.

Generally, however, if both parties enter into any situation where both could get equally hurt and they are both aware of this fact, then I'd let them take the heat if possible.

Survival of the fittest, I say.
delascabezas
Jun. 1st, 2005 01:31 am (UTC)
i get ya
how does survial of the fittest spread to innocent parties though? i mean, if two parties know the gig, that is one thing, but bystanders getting torn apart by rammifications...
mrshellion
Jun. 1st, 2005 03:38 am (UTC)
Yeah well
if the ramifications spread to the other parties, that's unfortunate. But sometimes them's the breaks.
mrshellion
Jun. 1st, 2005 03:40 am (UTC)
By the by
Welcome home :)
radiocity
May. 28th, 2005 08:13 pm (UTC)
karma. however you think that might pan out.
delascabezas
Jun. 1st, 2005 01:32 am (UTC)
heh
that doesn't work for me - karma is a good concept as a governing rule most of the time, but i would have no life left if i lived it.
rakshaka
May. 28th, 2005 10:32 pm (UTC)
You've always taken death as far as I've seen. I lean toward death, but I'm definately guilty of taking my share of cake
delascabezas
Jun. 1st, 2005 01:33 am (UTC)
not always
there have been exceptions, but they haven't worked out for me too well over time. at least in this case, i am not the one choosing.
gabsosteel
May. 29th, 2005 11:50 pm (UTC)
regardless of what the computation says, i still try to find the way for no one to get hurt. and when that proves impossible, then i generally end up taking the brunt of the pain. this isn't entirely selfless, i really just hate seeing my friends or any helpless person receive undue pain or hardship. and i get terrible "survivor's guilt" and spend the rest of my life wondering if i could have done more.

obviously, i've never been in a life or death situation. in essence, i don't like cake. in a more profound witticism, if my death would save the many, i would sacrafice myself each and every time. but i'd prefer to never have to make that choice.
delascabezas
Jun. 1st, 2005 01:41 am (UTC)
mm
ok, thanks for the insight (not surprising from what i know of you).

lets say that bearing the brunt of the pain means you lose friends, for sure. letting the pain spread around other people means there is a chance you may or may not. what do you do then?
gabsosteel
Jun. 1st, 2005 11:40 pm (UTC)
Re: mm
actually, i find that even easier to answer. i'll spread the pain around if it means there's a chance friends won't die. as i know my friends can handle anything (god knows i've been through enough with them) i won't worry about them handling the pain. this doesn't mean i like it (for someone not likely to have kids, i've got some freakin' strong maternal instincts) but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. you really can't protect everyone forever. if you tried, you'd just wear yourself down so much that when someone really needs you for something legitimate, you'd just be a husk of person.

are you still coming to b-lo the end of july? i won't have class then so i could really do some philosophizin' with you guys, as long as it starts before 3am. and you really should stay for the weekend. or two weeks.
delascabezas
Jun. 2nd, 2005 01:25 pm (UTC)
yup
i am gonna be bookin flights in the next couple weeks.
tx. for the continued insight - we will definitely do some philosophizin!
silentire
May. 30th, 2005 07:36 pm (UTC)
Please?
Since you are one of many who didn't respond to the post, I'm letting you know personally that I would like very much for you to come somewhere and hang out and/or drink with me Friday evening to celebrate my first week of having a Real Job. We dunno where we're going yet, but we'll figure it out before then, hopefully. Har har.
fructa
May. 30th, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)
depends: not just for the incontinent!
Entirely situational. Obviously I'm all for letting other people get hurt, and indeed hurting others intentionally. It seems selfish to deny people the opportunity to be hurt, if that pain is something which could help them. People need to be hurt. They need to learn to hurt others and survive. If the hurt in question is pointless, and can actually be relegated to one party to the exclusion of another party (this seems unlikely), I might as well take it myself. But sparing others pain as a general rule seems like an asshole's move, to me. It seems based on an underestimation of the capabilities of others, a presumption of their desires, and a disinclination to allow others to grow.
delascabezas
Jun. 1st, 2005 02:10 am (UTC)
hm, an interesting take
i never considered preventing pain for someone else as a selfish thing before. as always, your insight is thought provoking. am i ever gonna see you again, or are you back to avoiding me after getting your tri-annual dose?
fructa
Jun. 2nd, 2005 10:05 pm (UTC)
brain benders
well, that's what i'm here for, to be six steps to the left of normal.

re: my tri-annual dose -- bee-atch, i phoned last. just 'cuz you sent me straight to voice mail doesn't mean i didn't call you back.
delascabezas
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:34 pm (UTC)
hehheh
yeah, but ze vm was you were bailing. you have a point though...

what tomfoolery are you up to this weekend? i am helping someone move on the morrow, then spamalotting, but i have yet to firm up plans for the day of the sun.
fructa
Jun. 3rd, 2005 09:55 pm (UTC)
Silly old Tom
Well, actually, zee day of zee sun sees my departure for the land of the lovey -- we is heading up north for the marriage of the Alice and the William. Sigh. My wife's getting married. It's like she's all grown up, or something. So yeah, out of town Sunday to Sunday. Pretty sweet, really...
delascabezas
Jun. 4th, 2005 03:26 pm (UTC)
wow
you probably won't get this until way too late, but give them my best!
fructa
Jun. 5th, 2005 03:54 am (UTC)
cut out the middleman
hey, man, give it to them yourself, eh? i can send you zee address if you're a card-type bloke, or zee phone number if you prefer... i understand some people quite like these phone-things, and actually go out of their way to carry the things around with them in pockets and such. i, of course, use mine for window-decoration. but as far as i can tell, nearly everybody has one these days.

crazy kids.
delascabezas
Jun. 6th, 2005 01:44 pm (UTC)
thanks!
pass along both, i'll be happy to =)
fructa
May. 30th, 2005 10:42 pm (UTC)
utilitarian question
Is there any reason why we couldn't all be hurt equally? What's wrong with simply allowing things to take their course?
delascabezas
Jun. 1st, 2005 02:07 am (UTC)
well
the situation sorta dictates that things won't be spread even - this is an OR branch of decisions and conseqences. on a theoretical level, i agree - a nice frothy pint of pain for everyone!
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