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michael bay is making a thundercats movie.
would somone shoot the fuck while i still have one or two childhood hopes gettin by on chemo?


Apr. 17th, 2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
someone is doing it
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Apr. 17th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
well, i trust the onion as much as the next fucking rumormill - if WB is doin it, they probably will give it to him, since he's done such stunning work with Joe and Transformers.
Apr. 17th, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
Uhm, Bay's not involved with G.I. Joe, either. That's Stephen Sommers who's screwing that movie up.
Just sayin'. Bay's not responsible for ALL crimes against our nostalgia, he just did Transformers.

Apr. 17th, 2009 06:32 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
Would it kill Hollywood to RESPECT my childhood memories and actually make something GOOD?

I can count the number of remakes that weren't complete shit on one hand.
Apr. 17th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
Large movie studios have become increasingly afraid to put money behind projects that are completely new. The idea is, if there's a known name behind a concept, people are more willing to shell out their cash to see a movie in the theater. The ploy thus far has to been to make as much possible on the opening weekend. This is why remakes, sequels and adaptations have been all the rage. The next wave will be historical drama's, where famous people and events are condensed into themed films. I already know two separate parties working on projects (tied to the same script writer), and that there are at least a few more major studios poking the viability of this type of movie. If either film is made and does well, expect a storm of dramaticised historical retellings. "New" will be left for independents to make. Occasionally, a good one will crop up, but the masses will hear of only a few of these.

Apr. 17th, 2009 06:49 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
That's not what I was getting at.

I wouldn't mind having a re-make of something I love, I'm just sick of people taking these beloved childhood memories and NOSTRIL-RAPING THEM.
Either they make them nothing but action and FX or they remake them in a style that's radically different from the original (I fuckin' HATE re-imaginings!) to the point where the similarities between the new film and the original work are entirely superficial.

Would it kill them to actually respect my nostalgia, to actually make something that maybe improves on the original but certainly attempts to recapture what made it so beloved in the first place? I mean, they seem to attempt to do anything BUT that when they make these things.
Apr. 17th, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
Oh hey, Zeiram! Nice icon.

Given what Hollywood is doing these days (i.e. mining the past 20 years of US entertainment for movie ideas), they don't have any choice BUT to play with nostalgia. So, if we exempt your nostalgia base, who's can we play with, and who else gets to say 'not mine'?

Along with Transformers, and Thundercats, and G.I. Joe, there was a recent TMNT movie; those same people are putting out a Battle of the Planets movie. That right there was my gateway into Anime (and there I show my age. :) ). There was already a US version of Voltron, and a live action movie has been tossed around. Again, that's our nostalgia back yard. He-man is coming back around again. Star Trek hits next month. For more recent nostalgia, a 4th Terminator movie just hit. The list is endless.

The other side is, if something ISN'T re-imagined, then you basically rehash the same thing. See Spike network's revamping of Star Trek: The Original Series. While some people would LOVE to see their old favorites only slightly tweaked, Lucas tried that with his movies and was universally panned for it (despite making money hand over fist for his efforts). Hollywood's general formula is "the same, yet different." If you look at the entire catalogue of US big-studio films, you can file the vast majority of them into a few neat little categories, with the rare gem of a unique film standing out here and there. I'm still waiting for the Princess Bride remake, but I think William Goldman will have to be dead and buried for that to happen. Not that I WANT it to, I just firmly believe it will, sooner or later.

The ideal solution would be to someone go back to when the studios were producing dozens of movies a year, and making up the money lost on the flops with their successes. But as long as they continue to aim for "sure things", we'll keep getting what we've been getting, in bigger and explodier doses.

Apr. 17th, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
See, the recent TMNT movie is one of the few where I didn't feel like they'd done murder to my memories.

But I still think that you don't quite see what I'm getting at. What I would like are new stories with old characters--sequels, essentially--that respect the mise en scene and spirit of the original work OR rehashing old plots that were present in a different medium--video games, TV, books, etc--in motion picture form without re-imagining them or turning them into action/FX fests with hardly any story or character interaction.

Hollywood seems either incapable or unwilling to attempt this, going instead for flash-in-the-pan movies that are a movie of the original property in name only, superficially resembling the original, but really having nothing to do with it.

Transformers is a good example of this. Aeon Flux as well.
Apr. 17th, 2009 07:38 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
TMNT rocked my socks. My only gripe (and this is so nitpicky it's not even funny) is, they got a major story point I was planning to use in a pitch to Mirage. Like, the lynchpin point, so I can't use it now and my whole pitch falls apart. Oh well, I guess I'll have to come up with something else. :D

And I totally see how that movie did what you're talking about here; it was based off all three existing canons, so as long as you had any of the previous history, you were good. The drawback there is if you have never seen anything TMNT related, you didn't really feel the weight of the brotherly conflict that became the core theme, and the story reads as entertainment but shallow.

That is, in a nutshell, the major flaw in what you're proposing. Unless you're doing, say, a Sex And The City movie, where the source material is still readily available and popular, the basic job you have is to tell a story that both existing fans AND people who have never seen the damn thing before can appreciate and enjoy.

I did see Transformers (see icon), and I thought it was an interesting take. Having seen it, I realized that there was very little they could have kept from the original animation stories that would have worked in a movie geared for adults (as opposed to something like Monsters vs Aliens, which is aimed at the pre-teen crowd). If you stick strictly, or even just mostly to the source animation, you have to deal with the issues like how the government would react to a two large space craft full of intelligent entities crashlanding on their soil then waging war on each other. To ignore the issues like that means you miss chunks of your audience, so the story has to be crafted carefully.

I missed Aeon Flux, but from what I saw they took something of a left turn from the source material. I bet she lived at the end. No wait, don't tell me! ;)

Apr. 17th, 2009 07:42 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
But that's just it: there's nothing to say that they can't restart a series from the beginning, only this time in movie form. It's even possible they could improve on it a bit by restarting.

I'm just sick of them doing these re-imaginings that don't respect the original material. I think they could have made a Transformers movie that both respected the original fans AND pleased new viewers...they just chose not to.

Superman Returns is another good example of a successful movie in an established franchise. As a long-time Superman fan, I thought that it was a worthy addition to the canon. Unfortunately, movies like Superman Returns and TMNT are exceptions, not the rule.
Apr. 17th, 2009 07:57 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
Oh, there have been reboots. Current Trek movie? Reboot. The Fugitive? Reboot/retelling of the original series. Mission: Impossible, anyone? Those types of movies ARE done, and they CAN be done well. Then there are flicks like Wild Wild West, I Spy (which I avoided like the plague, because I just could not watch Murphy play a role originated by Cosby), S.W.A.T. and... I could mine imdb for titles, but I think you know your cinema history better than I do so I don't have to. :)

What it comes down to, I think, is the bottom line of ALL CREATIVITY: The amount of bad often out weights the amount of good. So yeah, the good examples are the rarity. Name your genre, medium, and decade, and the same truth will hold. So on that respect... I feel your pain. I deal with it by being part of the solution. We'll see how well I do in a few years.

And Superman Returns... you know, I enjoyed it the first time I saw it, except the music bugged the hell out of me. With each subsequent reviewing, I noticed more and more similarities to the Donner films until I realized I was watching a million dollar fan fic. It even follows the same damn theme, (the son fulfilling the roles given to him by the father). I think I would have enjoyed something entirely new.

One of my favorite remakes was John Carpenter's The Thing. Half remake, half SEQUEL. It was brilliant (if not gory). I wonder if maybe that's the ideal way to go with rehashes and the like.


Edited at 2009-04-17 07:58 pm (UTC)
Apr. 17th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
Re: heh
Once again, I don't think you quite take my point...and I'm tired of clarifying, honestly.


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